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	<title>Comments on: Once a Cheater, Always a Cheater</title>
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		<title>By: EelKat</title>
		<link>http://www.romancingtheblog.com/blog/2007/03/29/once-a-cheater-always-a-cheater/comment-page-2/#comment-16717</link>
		<dc:creator>EelKat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2007 11:16:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oddly, in several of my books I use a reocurring maine character, who never stays with any one woman; his reputation is one of a rather unbridled and very wild... of course he is a male Siren (not a human) so I can pull it off (I guess you can tell my genre is sci-fi/fantasy rather than stricyly romance)

~~EK</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oddly, in several of my books I use a reocurring maine character, who never stays with any one woman; his reputation is one of a rather unbridled and very wild&#8230; of course he is a male Siren (not a human) so I can pull it off (I guess you can tell my genre is sci-fi/fantasy rather than stricyly romance)</p>
<p>~~EK</p>
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		<title>By: EelKat</title>
		<link>http://www.romancingtheblog.com/blog/2007/03/29/once-a-cheater-always-a-cheater/comment-page-2/#comment-16716</link>
		<dc:creator>EelKat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2007 11:10:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to agree with you... I prefer both H&amp;H to be unmarried when they meet, and don&#039;t mind if one is widow/widower, or if one was divorced because that one&#039;s spouse was unfaithful; but I well not tolerate that either H or H themselves be the ones doing the cheating

great blog btw, so glad I found it!

~EK</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to agree with you&#8230; I prefer both H&amp;H to be unmarried when they meet, and don&#8217;t mind if one is widow/widower, or if one was divorced because that one&#8217;s spouse was unfaithful; but I well not tolerate that either H or H themselves be the ones doing the cheating</p>
<p>great blog btw, so glad I found it!</p>
<p>~EK</p>
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		<title>By: Dear Author.Com &#124; A Reader in the Middle</title>
		<link>http://www.romancingtheblog.com/blog/2007/03/29/once-a-cheater-always-a-cheater/comment-page-2/#comment-16691</link>
		<dc:creator>Dear Author.Com &#124; A Reader in the Middle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Apr 2007 10:07:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] There are two competing threads that took place last week amongst the romance circles. The first discussion arose out of a post by Daniela A, a reader blogger, who wrote that she did not like books featuring adultery. Some readers felt it was written in stone that infidelity could not occur. Others felt that in certain books, it could work. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] There are two competing threads that took place last week amongst the romance circles. The first discussion arose out of a post by Daniela A, a reader blogger, who wrote that she did not like books featuring adultery. Some readers felt it was written in stone that infidelity could not occur. Others felt that in certain books, it could work. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Selah March</title>
		<link>http://www.romancingtheblog.com/blog/2007/03/29/once-a-cheater-always-a-cheater/comment-page-2/#comment-16685</link>
		<dc:creator>Selah March</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2007 23:26:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think we&#039;ll have to agree to disagree - strongly - on this issue, Poison Ivy. 

I do think genre conventions are important. A mystery needs a &quot;whodunnit&quot; and a solution. A work of science fiction needs fictional science.

As far as I can tell, a romance needs a love story that ends happily. All other &quot;rules&quot; are trends and fashion, because there isn&#039;t anything that hasn&#039;t been done - and done well - and sold well, for that matter. Perhaps adultery isn&#039;t a HUGE seller as a plot device within romance, but ten years ago, neither were vampires. Or werewolves. Or BDSM.

As I said, I haven&#039;t written anything that includes adultery, but I chafe at what I consider artificial rules and contructs that limit an already limiting genre, simply by virtue of it BEING genre fiction.

And as an inveterate storyteller at heart, I have to re-state that I believe romance is about relationships that don&#039;t work - at least at the beginning. The journey from &quot;not working&quot; to &quot;working&quot; is what makes the story after all.

BTW - not all of us voluptous, ethnically-non-bland ladies spend all our time worrying about diet or how society mistreats us. Sometimes we can be &quot;ideal,&quot; too.  :wink:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we&#8217;ll have to agree to disagree &#8211; strongly &#8211; on this issue, Poison Ivy. </p>
<p>I do think genre conventions are important. A mystery needs a &#8220;whodunnit&#8221; and a solution. A work of science fiction needs fictional science.</p>
<p>As far as I can tell, a romance needs a love story that ends happily. All other &#8220;rules&#8221; are trends and fashion, because there isn&#8217;t anything that hasn&#8217;t been done &#8211; and done well &#8211; and sold well, for that matter. Perhaps adultery isn&#8217;t a HUGE seller as a plot device within romance, but ten years ago, neither were vampires. Or werewolves. Or BDSM.</p>
<p>As I said, I haven&#8217;t written anything that includes adultery, but I chafe at what I consider artificial rules and contructs that limit an already limiting genre, simply by virtue of it BEING genre fiction.</p>
<p>And as an inveterate storyteller at heart, I have to re-state that I believe romance is about relationships that don&#8217;t work &#8211; at least at the beginning. The journey from &#8220;not working&#8221; to &#8220;working&#8221; is what makes the story after all.</p>
<p>BTW &#8211; not all of us voluptous, ethnically-non-bland ladies spend all our time worrying about diet or how society mistreats us. Sometimes we can be &#8220;ideal,&#8221; too.  <img src='http://www.romancingtheblog.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=':wink:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Poison Ivy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Poison Ivy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2007 16:12:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Romances are about relationships that don&#039;t work? Well, that&#039;s an interesting take. But in the end, they all do work, even if the heroine&#039;s friends have to lock her up with the hero in a room together to make it happen. This is ideal compared to real life, in which the friends can&#039;t help, the fights end in divorce, the reunion with the first love doesn&#039;t happen, and the secret baby remains a secret. So I believe that romances are about relationships that, however challenged, do work. Which makes them, au fond, idealized.

I don&#039;t relate to perfection or near, but I like reading about women who embody some idealized qualities. These include but are not limited to natural skinniness, a bland ethnic background, and no addictions. It&#039;s pleasant to read about someone who isn&#039;t always thinking about the next diet, or about her problematic interface with the mass of our culture, or about her hoarding fixation. Romance heroines do have emotional baggage, but it&#039;s usually very limited and specific and the story resolves the key issue.  

The whole point of reading genre is to read within a structure. Readers have a legitimate expectation within genre that there will be rules, that certain lines won&#039;t be crossed. Sometimes they are, with exciting results. But sometimes that becomes a false path leading away from the core genre reading experience, which basically promises safety. I am convinced that there are only two approaches to reading: either &quot;Surprise me!&quot; or &quot;Don&#039;t surprise me.&quot; And genre is the  second approach. So, no, I don&#039;t want to read about infidelity because that&#039;s not a safe romantic issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Romances are about relationships that don&#8217;t work? Well, that&#8217;s an interesting take. But in the end, they all do work, even if the heroine&#8217;s friends have to lock her up with the hero in a room together to make it happen. This is ideal compared to real life, in which the friends can&#8217;t help, the fights end in divorce, the reunion with the first love doesn&#8217;t happen, and the secret baby remains a secret. So I believe that romances are about relationships that, however challenged, do work. Which makes them, au fond, idealized.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t relate to perfection or near, but I like reading about women who embody some idealized qualities. These include but are not limited to natural skinniness, a bland ethnic background, and no addictions. It&#8217;s pleasant to read about someone who isn&#8217;t always thinking about the next diet, or about her problematic interface with the mass of our culture, or about her hoarding fixation. Romance heroines do have emotional baggage, but it&#8217;s usually very limited and specific and the story resolves the key issue.  </p>
<p>The whole point of reading genre is to read within a structure. Readers have a legitimate expectation within genre that there will be rules, that certain lines won&#8217;t be crossed. Sometimes they are, with exciting results. But sometimes that becomes a false path leading away from the core genre reading experience, which basically promises safety. I am convinced that there are only two approaches to reading: either &#8220;Surprise me!&#8221; or &#8220;Don&#8217;t surprise me.&#8221; And genre is the  second approach. So, no, I don&#8217;t want to read about infidelity because that&#8217;s not a safe romantic issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Selah March</title>
		<link>http://www.romancingtheblog.com/blog/2007/03/29/once-a-cheater-always-a-cheater/comment-page-2/#comment-16582</link>
		<dc:creator>Selah March</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2007 12:57:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My experience of romance is different from yours, Poison Ivy. In my experience, romance is about relationships that DON&#039;T work for some reason. Hence the conflict upon which the story is based. Either the hero has issues, or the heroine has issues, or there are outside forces colluding to keep the two apart. The story is then about how the pair overcome the issues to get together. Without conflict -- without the part that doesn&#039;t work -- you have no story. 

I see adultery as another potential &quot;issue&quot; or &quot;obstacle&quot; in the creation of a story. 

Some people hate that obstacle. Other people hate the &quot;big misunderstanding.&quot;

I, for one, dislike overly-idealized behavior in romance. I&#039;m much more likely to put a book down that features characters to whom I can&#039;t relate, and I can&#039;t relate to perfection or near-perfection.

I write what I like to read, which includes a nice dose of reality-based behavior. Haven&#039;t written a story that includes adultery, but I&#039;m not ruling it out based on what I see as an artificial &quot;rule.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My experience of romance is different from yours, Poison Ivy. In my experience, romance is about relationships that DON&#8217;T work for some reason. Hence the conflict upon which the story is based. Either the hero has issues, or the heroine has issues, or there are outside forces colluding to keep the two apart. The story is then about how the pair overcome the issues to get together. Without conflict &#8212; without the part that doesn&#8217;t work &#8212; you have no story. </p>
<p>I see adultery as another potential &#8220;issue&#8221; or &#8220;obstacle&#8221; in the creation of a story. </p>
<p>Some people hate that obstacle. Other people hate the &#8220;big misunderstanding.&#8221;</p>
<p>I, for one, dislike overly-idealized behavior in romance. I&#8217;m much more likely to put a book down that features characters to whom I can&#8217;t relate, and I can&#8217;t relate to perfection or near-perfection.</p>
<p>I write what I like to read, which includes a nice dose of reality-based behavior. Haven&#8217;t written a story that includes adultery, but I&#8217;m not ruling it out based on what I see as an artificial &#8220;rule.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Poison Ivy</title>
		<link>http://www.romancingtheblog.com/blog/2007/03/29/once-a-cheater-always-a-cheater/comment-page-2/#comment-16512</link>
		<dc:creator>Poison Ivy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2007 01:32:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The typical romance story (if there can be said to be one) features idealized behavior. And since infidelity is not an ideal, of course it isn&#039;t part of the normal pantheon of behaviors in a romance. Yes, infidelity happens in real life, and yes, talented writers can make stories featuring infidelity--of all sorts--accessible, moving, etc. But your basic romance is about relationships that work, not about relationships that do not work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The typical romance story (if there can be said to be one) features idealized behavior. And since infidelity is not an ideal, of course it isn&#8217;t part of the normal pantheon of behaviors in a romance. Yes, infidelity happens in real life, and yes, talented writers can make stories featuring infidelity&#8211;of all sorts&#8211;accessible, moving, etc. But your basic romance is about relationships that work, not about relationships that do not work.</p>
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		<title>By: Selah March</title>
		<link>http://www.romancingtheblog.com/blog/2007/03/29/once-a-cheater-always-a-cheater/comment-page-2/#comment-16437</link>
		<dc:creator>Selah March</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Apr 2007 12:56:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the author can sell it with good motivation and characterization, and show realistic consequences, I&#039;ll read it.

I can appreciate a strong reaction against adultery in romance by those who read romance in order to &quot;escape reality,&quot; but I do get heartily sick of the whole &quot;if it contains THIS, then it&#039;s NOT ROMANCE&quot; argument. How about just saying &quot;I don&#039;t care for this in the romances I read.&quot; Do we need to defend our preferences by defining the genre so narrowly? Are we really that insecure in our own likes and dislikes? 

Frankly, I think all these supposed rules limit the genre, and add to romance&#039;s reputation as sexually explicit pablum for bored housewives.

I say bring on the adultery, and anything else an author might want to write about. If there&#039;s an audience for it, it will sell. If there&#039;s not, it won&#039;t, and editors won&#039;t purchase it again. That&#039;s pretty much the basis for an open marketplace, isn&#039;t it? And an open marketplace -- the foundation of the American economy -- is what makes any industry healthy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the author can sell it with good motivation and characterization, and show realistic consequences, I&#8217;ll read it.</p>
<p>I can appreciate a strong reaction against adultery in romance by those who read romance in order to &#8220;escape reality,&#8221; but I do get heartily sick of the whole &#8220;if it contains THIS, then it&#8217;s NOT ROMANCE&#8221; argument. How about just saying &#8220;I don&#8217;t care for this in the romances I read.&#8221; Do we need to defend our preferences by defining the genre so narrowly? Are we really that insecure in our own likes and dislikes? </p>
<p>Frankly, I think all these supposed rules limit the genre, and add to romance&#8217;s reputation as sexually explicit pablum for bored housewives.</p>
<p>I say bring on the adultery, and anything else an author might want to write about. If there&#8217;s an audience for it, it will sell. If there&#8217;s not, it won&#8217;t, and editors won&#8217;t purchase it again. That&#8217;s pretty much the basis for an open marketplace, isn&#8217;t it? And an open marketplace &#8212; the foundation of the American economy &#8212; is what makes any industry healthy.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Mar 2007 03:17:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This post may be a little late, but I&#039;ve been on vacation and away from a computer. If I purposely avoided books with that subject I would have missed some good ones like Madame Bovary. It doesn&#039;t bother me to read about it, but then I read more nonfiction and romance only every now and then. The biggest problem I had with dating after my divorce was all the married men who tried to hide that fact. Why do they do that? I have not met one man who is really single in my age group in the last 2 years (I&#039;m 31 and live in a very small town) so it&#039;s either be alone for the rest of my life or be someone&#039;s mistress so I can&#039;t judge women who fall for otherwise attached guys.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This post may be a little late, but I&#8217;ve been on vacation and away from a computer. If I purposely avoided books with that subject I would have missed some good ones like Madame Bovary. It doesn&#8217;t bother me to read about it, but then I read more nonfiction and romance only every now and then. The biggest problem I had with dating after my divorce was all the married men who tried to hide that fact. Why do they do that? I have not met one man who is really single in my age group in the last 2 years (I&#8217;m 31 and live in a very small town) so it&#8217;s either be alone for the rest of my life or be someone&#8217;s mistress so I can&#8217;t judge women who fall for otherwise attached guys.</p>
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		<title>By: Seanachi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Seanachi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Mar 2007 23:17:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it depends on why you read romance in the first place.  For most people (I think) we read romance to get away from real life.  Relationships aren&#039;t perfect.  But adultery is serious business and as you said, there is nothing whatsoever romantic about it.  My father was unfaithful to my mother.  I couldn&#039;t look at him the same when I knew.  I would never be able to get past it if my husband were to stray.  I&#039;ve never understood those marriages where people actually made it work after one or the other partner committed adultery, no matter what the reasons.  Adultery in a leading man (or woman) would be a serious black mark on their character and would totally denigrate my enjoyment of them as a character.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it depends on why you read romance in the first place.  For most people (I think) we read romance to get away from real life.  Relationships aren&#8217;t perfect.  But adultery is serious business and as you said, there is nothing whatsoever romantic about it.  My father was unfaithful to my mother.  I couldn&#8217;t look at him the same when I knew.  I would never be able to get past it if my husband were to stray.  I&#8217;ve never understood those marriages where people actually made it work after one or the other partner committed adultery, no matter what the reasons.  Adultery in a leading man (or woman) would be a serious black mark on their character and would totally denigrate my enjoyment of them as a character.</p>
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