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		<title>By: Catja (green_knight)</title>
		<link>http://www.romancingtheblog.com/blog/2006/02/27/554/comment-page-1/#comment-8699</link>
		<dc:creator>Catja (green_knight)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Mar 2006 15:20:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my genre - Fantasy - sequels and trilogies are common. The trick as I see it is to find a new story for a new book - the same characters can go through a sequel of events, but their personal focus is different - instead of &#039;will she find true love&#039; it becomes &#039;will they both live with their in-laws prejudices&#039; while all the time they&#039;re working to defeat the Dark Lord. Or something :wink:
Even in the long-term, life-plan, driven-by-externals plotlines, a different focus can be, not just helpful, but vital. If the first book showed a character trying to succeed in her chosen career and starting out, the second might show her after her promotion - but the new role has a whole new set of problems. You take what has been achieved in book I for granted - she&#039;s competent and people know it - and you look for a new challenge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my genre &#8211; Fantasy &#8211; sequels and trilogies are common. The trick as I see it is to find a new story for a new book &#8211; the same characters can go through a sequel of events, but their personal focus is different &#8211; instead of &#8216;will she find true love&#8217; it becomes &#8216;will they both live with their in-laws prejudices&#8217; while all the time they&#8217;re working to defeat the Dark Lord. Or something <img src='http://www.romancingtheblog.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=':wink:' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Even in the long-term, life-plan, driven-by-externals plotlines, a different focus can be, not just helpful, but vital. If the first book showed a character trying to succeed in her chosen career and starting out, the second might show her after her promotion &#8211; but the new role has a whole new set of problems. You take what has been achieved in book I for granted &#8211; she&#8217;s competent and people know it &#8211; and you look for a new challenge.</p>
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		<title>By: maggie b.</title>
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		<dc:creator>maggie b.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Mar 2006 20:16:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have to admit, I loved every last Potter book.  Even 5, which was least favorite, was still really loved.  But I view those less as sequels than as continuations.  Like LOTR, they tell the full story just in 7 rather than 3 books.  And I hope they have a happy ending because I just can&#039;t stand it if any of the three main characters dies or something :cry:

The Matrix did not surprise me re it being bad.  The Cohen brothers were proven to have stolen the original story if I remember correctly, so not being able to write a sequel is not much of a surprise.  THAT did disappoint me.  I felt there were tons of questions to be answered:  Where would the resources come from for food, etc. as people awakened?  Who awakened first, where were they?  How was Zion surviving?  Was the surface livable at all? 

IMO, the most brilliant movie sequel was . . . &quot;Toy Story 2&quot;.  No, really, that had all the charm of the original.  Book wise, I also like the &quot;Sisterhood of the Travelling Pants&quot; and in romance, Dara Joy&#039;s &quot;Matrix of Destiny&quot; each seemed to stand alone while still encompassing information from the last book.

I think the definition given in the article is excellent:  &quot;I liked sequels that showcased natural character progression, expanded worldbuilding that didn’t contradict the first, and dedication to the characters, relationships and expectations that I liked in book one.&quot;

As far as my pet peeves go with sequels:  Don&#039;t let important action happen off the page.  And don&#039;t change character&#039;s personalities.  That isn&#039;t a sequel -- that&#039;s a new book cashing in on old success.

maggie b.  


maggie b.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have to admit, I loved every last Potter book.  Even 5, which was least favorite, was still really loved.  But I view those less as sequels than as continuations.  Like LOTR, they tell the full story just in 7 rather than 3 books.  And I hope they have a happy ending because I just can&#8217;t stand it if any of the three main characters dies or something <img src='http://www.romancingtheblog.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_cry.gif' alt=':cry:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>The Matrix did not surprise me re it being bad.  The Cohen brothers were proven to have stolen the original story if I remember correctly, so not being able to write a sequel is not much of a surprise.  THAT did disappoint me.  I felt there were tons of questions to be answered:  Where would the resources come from for food, etc. as people awakened?  Who awakened first, where were they?  How was Zion surviving?  Was the surface livable at all? </p>
<p>IMO, the most brilliant movie sequel was . . . &#8220;Toy Story 2&#8243;.  No, really, that had all the charm of the original.  Book wise, I also like the &#8220;Sisterhood of the Travelling Pants&#8221; and in romance, Dara Joy&#8217;s &#8220;Matrix of Destiny&#8221; each seemed to stand alone while still encompassing information from the last book.</p>
<p>I think the definition given in the article is excellent:  &#8220;I liked sequels that showcased natural character progression, expanded worldbuilding that didn’t contradict the first, and dedication to the characters, relationships and expectations that I liked in book one.&#8221;</p>
<p>As far as my pet peeves go with sequels:  Don&#8217;t let important action happen off the page.  And don&#8217;t change character&#8217;s personalities.  That isn&#8217;t a sequel &#8212; that&#8217;s a new book cashing in on old success.</p>
<p>maggie b.  </p>
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		<title>By: Trista Bane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trista Bane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Feb 2006 16:12:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marianne-- you&#039;re right about Chamber.  It would seem that it&#039;s central to the overall plot.  It is our first clue that Ginny is going to be important, and it also introduces us, though we didn&#039;t know it at the time to the idea of a Horcrux.  Ginny is the seventh daughter of seven children, which is significant, usually denoting power.  (The 7th daughter motif is common in all types of literature involving magic.  I&#039;m pretty sure Christine Feehan will play on that in her Drake Sisters series.)

I haven&#039;t read The Dark Rising, but I&#039;m always looking for books to share with my students and kids!  Thanks for sharing that with me!  

LOL-Karmela on godfather 3.  I loved Godfather and Godfather 2, but haven&#039;t read three.  Guess I&#039;m not missing much?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marianne&#8211; you&#8217;re right about Chamber.  It would seem that it&#8217;s central to the overall plot.  It is our first clue that Ginny is going to be important, and it also introduces us, though we didn&#8217;t know it at the time to the idea of a Horcrux.  Ginny is the seventh daughter of seven children, which is significant, usually denoting power.  (The 7th daughter motif is common in all types of literature involving magic.  I&#8217;m pretty sure Christine Feehan will play on that in her Drake Sisters series.)</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t read The Dark Rising, but I&#8217;m always looking for books to share with my students and kids!  Thanks for sharing that with me!  </p>
<p>LOL-Karmela on godfather 3.  I loved Godfather and Godfather 2, but haven&#8217;t read three.  Guess I&#8217;m not missing much?</p>
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		<title>By: Karmela</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karmela</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Feb 2006 15:26:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe that the greatest sequel of all time is The Godfather #2. Looking back now, it fulfills all the requirements of a good sequel as you&#039;ve stated above.

And the godfather #3 was so horrible it doesn&#039;t even deserve capital letters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe that the greatest sequel of all time is The Godfather #2. Looking back now, it fulfills all the requirements of a good sequel as you&#8217;ve stated above.</p>
<p>And the godfather #3 was so horrible it doesn&#8217;t even deserve capital letters.</p>
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		<title>By: Marianne McA</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marianne McA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Feb 2006 11:07:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trista - I always thought Chamber was a filler - that Rowling had written Philosopher&#039;s Stone, then just written a tangentially connected adventure story, before book 3 resumed the proper story arc. But once you&#039;ve read six, it becomes apparent Chamber is part of the plan. My daughter&#039;s theory is that in Book 7, the fact that Ginny had that experience will be pivotal.
 
I didn&#039;t like five when I read it first, because I got bored with Harry being so sullen all the time - but I have to say book six was a great hit in our family (3 daughters and me) except that my husband didn&#039;t like it - and I think you&#039;re right, we liked all the relationship stuff, which bores him.

FWIW, we&#039;d bear out your theory about Tolkein as well - I reread The Hobbit often, but only got through LoTR once, whereas my husband would be a LoTR man.

Have you read children&#039;s series The Dark is Rising by Susan Cooper? I think she also managed to have the books work by themselves, and still have the series work as a single story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trista &#8211; I always thought Chamber was a filler &#8211; that Rowling had written Philosopher&#8217;s Stone, then just written a tangentially connected adventure story, before book 3 resumed the proper story arc. But once you&#8217;ve read six, it becomes apparent Chamber is part of the plan. My daughter&#8217;s theory is that in Book 7, the fact that Ginny had that experience will be pivotal.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t like five when I read it first, because I got bored with Harry being so sullen all the time &#8211; but I have to say book six was a great hit in our family (3 daughters and me) except that my husband didn&#8217;t like it &#8211; and I think you&#8217;re right, we liked all the relationship stuff, which bores him.</p>
<p>FWIW, we&#8217;d bear out your theory about Tolkein as well &#8211; I reread The Hobbit often, but only got through LoTR once, whereas my husband would be a LoTR man.</p>
<p>Have you read children&#8217;s series The Dark is Rising by Susan Cooper? I think she also managed to have the books work by themselves, and still have the series work as a single story.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Feb 2006 05:17:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pat,

I am also a big Stephanie Plum fan and you are so right.  She has stagnated of late and something has gotta change for that Jersey girl.  I wish she would go on a hush-hush adventure with Ranger to a place like Paris.  

She and Lulu could destroy a Citroen for a change, eat real French fries, and get into lots of trouble with the gendarmes.

And it&#039;d be nice to learn more about Ranger. I mean folded underwear and a meticulous all black wardrobe are unusual for a straight guy in my experience. And I don&#039;t know about you but my man doesn&#039;t know from thread count.  If it&#039;s on the bed he sleeps in it. 

BTW, Have you tried Metro Girl, yet?  I see she&#039;s turning that into a series as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pat,</p>
<p>I am also a big Stephanie Plum fan and you are so right.  She has stagnated of late and something has gotta change for that Jersey girl.  I wish she would go on a hush-hush adventure with Ranger to a place like Paris.  </p>
<p>She and Lulu could destroy a Citroen for a change, eat real French fries, and get into lots of trouble with the gendarmes.</p>
<p>And it&#8217;d be nice to learn more about Ranger. I mean folded underwear and a meticulous all black wardrobe are unusual for a straight guy in my experience. And I don&#8217;t know about you but my man doesn&#8217;t know from thread count.  If it&#8217;s on the bed he sleeps in it. </p>
<p>BTW, Have you tried Metro Girl, yet?  I see she&#8217;s turning that into a series as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Trista Bane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trista Bane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2006 23:04:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m following the threads about Harry Potter, because I&#039;m a huge fan!  Some may already know that I&#039;m a high school teacher, and love that my students voluntarily read these HUGE books (when typically, they follow the &quot;pinky rule&quot; when choosing a book.  Oh, com&#039;n.  You know the pinky rule: If it&#039;s bigger than your pinky-- don&#039;t read it.)

Anyway, in my experience, girls typically don&#039;t like Chamber as much as guys do.  Many of my male students liked it better than the first.  My theory-- typically, the girls like the complex relationship building books, the boys like the adventure, suspence books.  That&#039;s why my girls like The Hobbit more and my guys like LOTR trilogy books more.  I have found that my girls like 1, 3, and 5 the most.  The boys like 2 and 4 (four being the favorite).  Six was the least favorite because a major character died.  No, it&#039;s only partly because of that.  After all, they still like 5.  I think it&#039;s because, unlike the other books, it doesn&#039;t stand alone.  You almost had to have the other books at hand for ready reference!  Ninth graders find that confusing.  

Now that I&#039;ve rambled on about HP (you guys will learn not to get me started on Harry one of these days :lol:) I have to say that I really enjoyed your post.  I&#039;m getting started on my first sequel myself.  It&#039;s the second book in a series about werewolves.  The thing is, all of my books do fit together.  The main character of the second book was introduced in the first book.  He will also be an intricate part of the rest of the series because he is the rightful alpha male of the Lycaon clan.  Oops, I&#039;ve said too much.

What have I learned?  I want to do what J K Rowling did with her first five books-- Make them stand alone, so that you can do what I did-- start with the third book without being confused.  I guess I&#039;m also aiming for what she&#039;s doing with Harry&#039;s story.  Each book has a complex story that stands by itself, each book is a new adventure, but the first six  books are all building towards a major climax-- a huge battle.

Luckily, I&#039;m writing romance!  So, while I fear that Harry can&#039;t have a happy ending :cry: my series will :grin:

That&#039;s for an excellent, exciting post.  It has inspired me!  Off to write! :idea:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m following the threads about Harry Potter, because I&#8217;m a huge fan!  Some may already know that I&#8217;m a high school teacher, and love that my students voluntarily read these HUGE books (when typically, they follow the &#8220;pinky rule&#8221; when choosing a book.  Oh, com&#8217;n.  You know the pinky rule: If it&#8217;s bigger than your pinky&#8211; don&#8217;t read it.)</p>
<p>Anyway, in my experience, girls typically don&#8217;t like Chamber as much as guys do.  Many of my male students liked it better than the first.  My theory&#8211; typically, the girls like the complex relationship building books, the boys like the adventure, suspence books.  That&#8217;s why my girls like The Hobbit more and my guys like LOTR trilogy books more.  I have found that my girls like 1, 3, and 5 the most.  The boys like 2 and 4 (four being the favorite).  Six was the least favorite because a major character died.  No, it&#8217;s only partly because of that.  After all, they still like 5.  I think it&#8217;s because, unlike the other books, it doesn&#8217;t stand alone.  You almost had to have the other books at hand for ready reference!  Ninth graders find that confusing.  </p>
<p>Now that I&#8217;ve rambled on about HP (you guys will learn not to get me started on Harry one of these days <img src='http://www.romancingtheblog.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif' alt=':lol:' class='wp-smiley' /> ) I have to say that I really enjoyed your post.  I&#8217;m getting started on my first sequel myself.  It&#8217;s the second book in a series about werewolves.  The thing is, all of my books do fit together.  The main character of the second book was introduced in the first book.  He will also be an intricate part of the rest of the series because he is the rightful alpha male of the Lycaon clan.  Oops, I&#8217;ve said too much.</p>
<p>What have I learned?  I want to do what J K Rowling did with her first five books&#8211; Make them stand alone, so that you can do what I did&#8211; start with the third book without being confused.  I guess I&#8217;m also aiming for what she&#8217;s doing with Harry&#8217;s story.  Each book has a complex story that stands by itself, each book is a new adventure, but the first six  books are all building towards a major climax&#8211; a huge battle.</p>
<p>Luckily, I&#8217;m writing romance!  So, while I fear that Harry can&#8217;t have a happy ending <img src='http://www.romancingtheblog.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_cry.gif' alt=':cry:' class='wp-smiley' />  my series will <img src='http://www.romancingtheblog.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':grin:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>That&#8217;s for an excellent, exciting post.  It has inspired me!  Off to write! <img src='http://www.romancingtheblog.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_idea.gif' alt=':idea:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Diana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2006 22:18:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought Chamber of Secrets was the weakest of the first four, but only mildly. I still liked it as much as the first one. I thought number five was a piece of crap. Compared to that, I like number two plenty.

The Stephanie Plum thing reminds me a lot of the Becky Bloomwood thing. Why hasn&#039;t that chick gotten professional help? Still, I can&#039;t help watching her -- she&#039;s like a train wreck! :wink:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought Chamber of Secrets was the weakest of the first four, but only mildly. I still liked it as much as the first one. I thought number five was a piece of crap. Compared to that, I like number two plenty.</p>
<p>The Stephanie Plum thing reminds me a lot of the Becky Bloomwood thing. Why hasn&#8217;t that chick gotten professional help? Still, I can&#8217;t help watching her &#8212; she&#8217;s like a train wreck! <img src='http://www.romancingtheblog.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=':wink:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennifer R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2006 21:14:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love sequels as long as the characters don&#039;t get too buggered up. Like Anita Blake. I hate to say it, but the introduction of the ardeur (which forced a mostly-chaste character into being the biggest whore around, with little or no control about who she screwed) just blew a good series to shreds. 

And I must agree that shouldn&#039;t Stephanie get better at work by now? Though at least it was mentioned in the last book that she wasn&#039;t buggering up while working for Ranger. For once.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love sequels as long as the characters don&#8217;t get too buggered up. Like Anita Blake. I hate to say it, but the introduction of the ardeur (which forced a mostly-chaste character into being the biggest whore around, with little or no control about who she screwed) just blew a good series to shreds. </p>
<p>And I must agree that shouldn&#8217;t Stephanie get better at work by now? Though at least it was mentioned in the last book that she wasn&#8217;t buggering up while working for Ranger. For once.</p>
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		<title>By: Marianne McA</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marianne McA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2006 21:10:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really? Chamber of Secrets? I always thought that was the weakest in the series, though after book 6, I&#039;m prepared to rethink that a little. 
And I love Edge of Reason, but that could be because I read it first. I don&#039;t remember it reading like a sequel.

Sequels that read like sequels can be annoying - you very often hit a series third or fourth book in, and there is nothing more annoying than a book that makes you feel you&#039;re starting reading in the wrong place. I don&#039;t like the sort of book that hauls characters from past books needlessly into the story, or includes backstory irrelevant to the current plot - &#039;he would ask his friend, Lord Sebastian, who just last summer had fallen in love with the flame-haired Countess of Hackney.&#039; 

My other big gripe would be characters that change from between books because the author needs them to play a different role. An Alpha hero from Book 1 who is suddenly prepared to let Hero 2 take control, for example.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really? Chamber of Secrets? I always thought that was the weakest in the series, though after book 6, I&#8217;m prepared to rethink that a little.<br />
And I love Edge of Reason, but that could be because I read it first. I don&#8217;t remember it reading like a sequel.</p>
<p>Sequels that read like sequels can be annoying &#8211; you very often hit a series third or fourth book in, and there is nothing more annoying than a book that makes you feel you&#8217;re starting reading in the wrong place. I don&#8217;t like the sort of book that hauls characters from past books needlessly into the story, or includes backstory irrelevant to the current plot &#8211; &#8216;he would ask his friend, Lord Sebastian, who just last summer had fallen in love with the flame-haired Countess of Hackney.&#8217; </p>
<p>My other big gripe would be characters that change from between books because the author needs them to play a different role. An Alpha hero from Book 1 who is suddenly prepared to let Hero 2 take control, for example.</p>
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