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		<title>By: Daria</title>
		<link>http://www.romancingtheblog.com/blog/2005/08/01/since-when-are-happy-endings-a-crime/comment-page-1/#comment-4840</link>
		<dc:creator>Daria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Aug 2005 09:52:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How would our childrenâ€™s expectations and beliefs change? 

--simply. They would believe in happy end so much, a bad ending would break them. Do you know the statistics? Most of the mental patients who experience extreme nervous breakdown are not those gloomy, pessimistic, sulky people, and not even the sensitive ones. But the once-cheerful, once-sweet people who had had a happy childhood and a nice youth, and a lovely life, and at some point their life delivered them the kind of blow they had never expected to receive, had no resistence against, no kind of emotional vaccine. Those who fall from higher points, fall harder.</description>
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<p>&#8211;simply. They would believe in happy end so much, a bad ending would break them. Do you know the statistics? Most of the mental patients who experience extreme nervous breakdown are not those gloomy, pessimistic, sulky people, and not even the sensitive ones. But the once-cheerful, once-sweet people who had had a happy childhood and a nice youth, and a lovely life, and at some point their life delivered them the kind of blow they had never expected to receive, had no resistence against, no kind of emotional vaccine. Those who fall from higher points, fall harder.</p>
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		<title>By: Elsandra</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elsandra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Aug 2005 03:22:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used to be a person who didn&#039;t read romance novels because they all seemed to have the &quot;happy ever after&quot; endings and that did not feel realistic to me.  Now, HEA is sometimes all I want!  My life is stressful enough because of my job (I&#039;m a police officer) so I enjoy something turning out for the good instead of the bad I see every day.  I think kids should be exposed to both sides, HEA and a little of harsh reality, to give them a balanced outlook.  I guess that&#039;s all I&#039;ll write or the weary, cynical cop in me will come out.:???:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to be a person who didn&#8217;t read romance novels because they all seemed to have the &#8220;happy ever after&#8221; endings and that did not feel realistic to me.  Now, HEA is sometimes all I want!  My life is stressful enough because of my job (I&#8217;m a police officer) so I enjoy something turning out for the good instead of the bad I see every day.  I think kids should be exposed to both sides, HEA and a little of harsh reality, to give them a balanced outlook.  I guess that&#8217;s all I&#8217;ll write or the weary, cynical cop in me will come out.:???:</p>
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		<title>By: Shannon McKelden</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shannon McKelden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Aug 2005 00:43:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow! You guys are awesome and humbling with all your great comments! I couldn&#039;t have asked for a better response. 

One thing I think should be clarified...most romance novels don&#039;t portray romance as a heroine being &quot;swept off her feet.&quot; In reality, most romance novels show a couple working their butts off to make something work that doesn&#039;t look like it possibly could. This may be even more clearly shown in some chick lit novels (which is what I write). There is very little feet-sweeping, bed of roses, never-say-a-cross-word-again to the love that most writers I know write about. Most of them write about seemingly impossible relationships and the very hard work the parties must do in order to make that impossible relationship work. 

I&#039;m living a HEA myself, married 19 years to my high school sweetheart. It&#039;s not easy sometimes. Sometimes it&#039;s the hardest thing I do, perhaps aside from raising children. But, I know in my heart it is HEA. I have to work to keep it that way, but it does work, and I want my kids to see that...in my relationship, in the relationships of other family members. But they see the real world, too.  Can&#039;t avoid it. It&#039;s on television, it&#039;s displayed by their friends, by other family members who don&#039;t always have happy endings.  &quot;Reality&quot; is in plenty. 

I guess I was just shocked at the woman&#039;s comment because it seemed as though she was saying that our kids shouldn&#039;t hear about the happy endings because it might disillusion them. So, the alternative would be to show them all the bad stuff until they come to believe that that&#039;s all there is. 

Not going to happen in my house. I&#039;d rather let my teen daughter read romance novels and see that love takes work, but if two people care enough to work at it, if SHE cares enough to work at it, there is a strong possibility that there will be a Happily Ever After in her future. 

Thanks for all the great comments, ladies!! I&#039;m so happy to have struck up a conversation with such passionate responses. 

Shannon :smile:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow! You guys are awesome and humbling with all your great comments! I couldn&#8217;t have asked for a better response. </p>
<p>One thing I think should be clarified&#8230;most romance novels don&#8217;t portray romance as a heroine being &#8220;swept off her feet.&#8221; In reality, most romance novels show a couple working their butts off to make something work that doesn&#8217;t look like it possibly could. This may be even more clearly shown in some chick lit novels (which is what I write). There is very little feet-sweeping, bed of roses, never-say-a-cross-word-again to the love that most writers I know write about. Most of them write about seemingly impossible relationships and the very hard work the parties must do in order to make that impossible relationship work. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m living a HEA myself, married 19 years to my high school sweetheart. It&#8217;s not easy sometimes. Sometimes it&#8217;s the hardest thing I do, perhaps aside from raising children. But, I know in my heart it is HEA. I have to work to keep it that way, but it does work, and I want my kids to see that&#8230;in my relationship, in the relationships of other family members. But they see the real world, too.  Can&#8217;t avoid it. It&#8217;s on television, it&#8217;s displayed by their friends, by other family members who don&#8217;t always have happy endings.  &#8220;Reality&#8221; is in plenty. </p>
<p>I guess I was just shocked at the woman&#8217;s comment because it seemed as though she was saying that our kids shouldn&#8217;t hear about the happy endings because it might disillusion them. So, the alternative would be to show them all the bad stuff until they come to believe that that&#8217;s all there is. </p>
<p>Not going to happen in my house. I&#8217;d rather let my teen daughter read romance novels and see that love takes work, but if two people care enough to work at it, if SHE cares enough to work at it, there is a strong possibility that there will be a Happily Ever After in her future. </p>
<p>Thanks for all the great comments, ladies!! I&#8217;m so happy to have struck up a conversation with such passionate responses. </p>
<p>Shannon <img src='http://www.romancingtheblog.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':smile:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Natalie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Natalie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Aug 2005 00:26:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I understand why you might feel that way, Anne, but books (that aren&#039;t the original fairy tales) don&#039;t really SAY &quot;and they lived happily ever after.&quot;  Unless people are total recluses, how can they apply what they read in a fiction novel to the lives around them &quot;unrealistically&quot;?  How can they think, &quot;I know six couples who got divorced, and two couples that fight constantly but really love each other, and all my friends talk about the difficulties in their marriages, but I&#039;m going to assume that because the couple in this book is happy at the end, they always will be and I&#039;ll be happy ever after, too.&quot;

It&#039;s just much more complex than that.  We all have too many influences in our lives to be able to really pinpoint one thing that colors our entire belief system.  That&#039;s my opinion, anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand why you might feel that way, Anne, but books (that aren&#8217;t the original fairy tales) don&#8217;t really SAY &#8220;and they lived happily ever after.&#8221;  Unless people are total recluses, how can they apply what they read in a fiction novel to the lives around them &#8220;unrealistically&#8221;?  How can they think, &#8220;I know six couples who got divorced, and two couples that fight constantly but really love each other, and all my friends talk about the difficulties in their marriages, but I&#8217;m going to assume that because the couple in this book is happy at the end, they always will be and I&#8217;ll be happy ever after, too.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s just much more complex than that.  We all have too many influences in our lives to be able to really pinpoint one thing that colors our entire belief system.  That&#8217;s my opinion, anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Anne E.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anne E.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Aug 2005 23:43:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My earlier post may have made me sound as though I am very bitter, while actually I have come to terms with the divorce, learned from the experience, and in the process have created a good life for myself.:wink: The difference is that I no longer look at love and marriage in the same way as I did before the divorce..there are no rose colored glasses sitting on my nose. IMO far too many romance novels give the impression that all the hard work in the relationship ends at the altar, while in real life the hard work has just started.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My earlier post may have made me sound as though I am very bitter, while actually I have come to terms with the divorce, learned from the experience, and in the process have created a good life for myself.:wink: The difference is that I no longer look at love and marriage in the same way as I did before the divorce..there are no rose colored glasses sitting on my nose. IMO far too many romance novels give the impression that all the hard work in the relationship ends at the altar, while in real life the hard work has just started.</p>
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		<title>By: Esri/aka Kiki</title>
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		<dc:creator>Esri/aka Kiki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Aug 2005 20:55:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It can&#039;t be said too much. Expectations are everything, and if we feed our kids gloom and doom, what do they have to aspire to?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It can&#8217;t be said too much. Expectations are everything, and if we feed our kids gloom and doom, what do they have to aspire to?</p>
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		<title>By: Natalie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Natalie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Aug 2005 20:48:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, it&#039;s amazing how many different directions a discussion can go in.

Any personal experience will affect how someone views something, so I can see that a person who has been terribly hurt in a relationship would find it difficult to read romance, just as someone who lost a sister to a murderer would find it difficult to read thrillers about serial killers.  There is no Universal Experience, and none of our circumstances invalidates anyone else&#039;s.

Saying people shouldn&#039;t read romances because they are unrealistic might just be a piece of that woman&#039;s whole--that NO popular fiction is realistic and therefore shouldn&#039;t be read.  She may feel the same way about all entertainment and think the only media worth reading or viewing deals with bad things (I can&#039;t think of another way to phrase it than &quot;bad things&quot;).

I think like breeds like, and the more optimistic and happy our outlook, the more optimistic and happy our reality.  I know that&#039;s simplistic but it has helped me weather my mother&#039;s breast cancer and subsequent health problems, and again 15 years later when she died from it, and even my parents&#039; divorce when I was 7. 

&lt;i&gt;the HEA ending of all romance novels can subconsciously set up an unrealistic expectation about love/marriage for some readers.&lt;/i&gt;

I think this is backwards!  Romances show how two people can work through their problems and be happy together, and hopefully will be strong enough to weather any future problems together.  So at the end of a romance novel, the couple believes they will be together for the rest of their lives, whatever happens.  What expectation is being set up that makes divorce more likely to someone who thinks this can really happen?  And how can a marriage survive if the people in it have &quot;realistic&quot; expectations of divorce?

If the idea is that romances make marriage look easy, I really can&#039;t see that.  Like I said, they&#039;re all about conflict.

I also think divorce statistics are skewed.  If you have 100 marriages in a year and 50 divorces, you can&#039;t say 50% of all marriages end in divorce because you&#039;re not counting all the existing marriages at the beginning of that year.  I really don&#039;t know how they&#039;re calculated, though, so I could be wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, it&#8217;s amazing how many different directions a discussion can go in.</p>
<p>Any personal experience will affect how someone views something, so I can see that a person who has been terribly hurt in a relationship would find it difficult to read romance, just as someone who lost a sister to a murderer would find it difficult to read thrillers about serial killers.  There is no Universal Experience, and none of our circumstances invalidates anyone else&#8217;s.</p>
<p>Saying people shouldn&#8217;t read romances because they are unrealistic might just be a piece of that woman&#8217;s whole&#8211;that NO popular fiction is realistic and therefore shouldn&#8217;t be read.  She may feel the same way about all entertainment and think the only media worth reading or viewing deals with bad things (I can&#8217;t think of another way to phrase it than &#8220;bad things&#8221;).</p>
<p>I think like breeds like, and the more optimistic and happy our outlook, the more optimistic and happy our reality.  I know that&#8217;s simplistic but it has helped me weather my mother&#8217;s breast cancer and subsequent health problems, and again 15 years later when she died from it, and even my parents&#8217; divorce when I was 7. </p>
<p><i>the HEA ending of all romance novels can subconsciously set up an unrealistic expectation about love/marriage for some readers.</i></p>
<p>I think this is backwards!  Romances show how two people can work through their problems and be happy together, and hopefully will be strong enough to weather any future problems together.  So at the end of a romance novel, the couple believes they will be together for the rest of their lives, whatever happens.  What expectation is being set up that makes divorce more likely to someone who thinks this can really happen?  And how can a marriage survive if the people in it have &#8220;realistic&#8221; expectations of divorce?</p>
<p>If the idea is that romances make marriage look easy, I really can&#8217;t see that.  Like I said, they&#8217;re all about conflict.</p>
<p>I also think divorce statistics are skewed.  If you have 100 marriages in a year and 50 divorces, you can&#8217;t say 50% of all marriages end in divorce because you&#8217;re not counting all the existing marriages at the beginning of that year.  I really don&#8217;t know how they&#8217;re calculated, though, so I could be wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennifer R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Aug 2005 18:19:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know what? My real world is depressing enough, and I&#039;m not even paying to be depressed. If I&#039;m paying for distraction and entertainment, I want it to end happy instead of leaving me sadder, dammit!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know what? My real world is depressing enough, and I&#8217;m not even paying to be depressed. If I&#8217;m paying for distraction and entertainment, I want it to end happy instead of leaving me sadder, dammit!</p>
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		<title>By: Anne E</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anne E</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Aug 2005 16:31:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I tend to agree with Kay and Chris, in that the HEA ending of all romance novels can subconsciously set up an unrealistic expectation about love/marriage for some readers. With divorce rates so high, it would seem obvious that a romance novel is in many ways a wish fullfillment..a fantasy of the way we would like life to be. Yes, there are couples who have been married for 40-50 years and are still deeply in love..there are also couples that have been married that long who barely tolerate each other.  

When I was going through a very painful separation and divorce a few years ago, I could not read romance novels, because they seemed like lies to me...I felt that the preordained HEA ending was mocking me. I have read on other romance novel websites similiar posts...it was not until I was through the worst of the process that I could stand to pick up a romance novel once again, but with a different attitude than I once had...a jaded attitude. And that may be one of the reasons I only make about a 1/3 of my reading from the genre, my reading is primarily of historicals, and the romantic relationship/HEA ending is what I focus on the least.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tend to agree with Kay and Chris, in that the HEA ending of all romance novels can subconsciously set up an unrealistic expectation about love/marriage for some readers. With divorce rates so high, it would seem obvious that a romance novel is in many ways a wish fullfillment..a fantasy of the way we would like life to be. Yes, there are couples who have been married for 40-50 years and are still deeply in love..there are also couples that have been married that long who barely tolerate each other.  </p>
<p>When I was going through a very painful separation and divorce a few years ago, I could not read romance novels, because they seemed like lies to me&#8230;I felt that the preordained HEA ending was mocking me. I have read on other romance novel websites similiar posts&#8230;it was not until I was through the worst of the process that I could stand to pick up a romance novel once again, but with a different attitude than I once had&#8230;a jaded attitude. And that may be one of the reasons I only make about a 1/3 of my reading from the genre, my reading is primarily of historicals, and the romantic relationship/HEA ending is what I focus on the least.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary Stella</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary Stella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Aug 2005 14:39:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s to everyone who supports happy endings!  Thanks for a great post.

If anything, as the society around us grows ever more toxic, and its toxicity is emphasized by the news and other media, I need to read more &#039;happily ever after&#039; stories for balance.  This doesn&#039;t mean that I never read other books but that, again, I&#039;m looking for balance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s to everyone who supports happy endings!  Thanks for a great post.</p>
<p>If anything, as the society around us grows ever more toxic, and its toxicity is emphasized by the news and other media, I need to read more &#8216;happily ever after&#8217; stories for balance.  This doesn&#8217;t mean that I never read other books but that, again, I&#8217;m looking for balance.</p>
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