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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
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		<description>howdy I quite enjoyed this website .</description>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jul 2005 20:10:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I finally got a chance to check out your web page, and I must say that I&#039;m impressed. Hope everything is going well. Take care!</description>
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		<title>By: Maureen Hay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maureen Hay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 May 2005 19:40:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, you know what they say... there are folks for whom lust gets them into trouble, and those for whom curiosity is the greater danger.

I&#039;ve learned that I don&#039;t enjoy being personally involved in this sort of stuff.  I am, however, curious.  (Curiosity killed the cat, but I was a leading suspect.) Glad to know that there are books, videos, etc., to help keep me out of trouble.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, you know what they say&#8230; there are folks for whom lust gets them into trouble, and those for whom curiosity is the greater danger.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve learned that I don&#8217;t enjoy being personally involved in this sort of stuff.  I am, however, curious.  (Curiosity killed the cat, but I was a leading suspect.) Glad to know that there are books, videos, etc., to help keep me out of trouble.</p>
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		<title>By: Michelle Diener</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michelle Diener</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 May 2005 09:10:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Candy, I read comment no. 20 and there is a book where the heroine has the hot sweaty sex with two other men (simultaneously) and really kinky sex with another man and the hero is happy with that. He doesn&#039;t participate, but is fine with it. The book is by Lawrence Block, called Small 
Town, and it is through her sexual relationships with these other three men and subsequent pillow talk that leads to a crime being solved for which the hero is wrongly accused. Lawrence Block seems to often have the less-than-traditional approach to relationships in his novels. I&#039;m not sure what I think about his premise, it wouldn&#039;t work for me personally, but the book has sure stayed with me months after I read it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Candy, I read comment no. 20 and there is a book where the heroine has the hot sweaty sex with two other men (simultaneously) and really kinky sex with another man and the hero is happy with that. He doesn&#8217;t participate, but is fine with it. The book is by Lawrence Block, called Small<br />
Town, and it is through her sexual relationships with these other three men and subsequent pillow talk that leads to a crime being solved for which the hero is wrongly accused. Lawrence Block seems to often have the less-than-traditional approach to relationships in his novels. I&#8217;m not sure what I think about his premise, it wouldn&#8217;t work for me personally, but the book has sure stayed with me months after I read it.</p>
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		<title>By: Robin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 May 2005 07:00:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;So, Iâ€™m standing in the Romance section at the bookstore the other day, looking at Emma Hollyâ€™s â€˜The Demonâ€™s Daughter.â€™ Mediocre title, yet another bare-chested pretty boy on the cover. But the blurbâ€™s sort of interesting, and Iâ€™ve heard good things about the author. Partway into chapter two, I realize this is Steampunk. Better yet, erotic Steampunk Romance. Could it get any better? Iâ€™m going back to the bookstore this weekend to pick up â€˜Strange Attractions.â€™ I know, different concept. But the same author. Why have I not read Emma Holly before this?&quot;

One of the things that sets Emma Holly apart for me -- besides the fact that she can write compelling characters AND grippingly sensual love/sex scenes -- is that she seems to have tremendous empathy and respect for both her characters and her readers.  If you haven&#039;t yet, definitely read her upyr books, starting with &quot;Catching Midnight,&quot; which is perhaps my favorite Holly book.  The scenes where the heroine merges with the spirit of her familiar animal are so lyrical they read like masterfully crafted love scenes.  The way Holly uses Gillian&#039;s familiar to build a relationship between the hero and the heroine brought that book to a whole new level for me.  Even in her erotica there is true kindness and tenderness between her characters, and the way they investigate less traditional expressions of sex and sexuality generally (there are a few exceptions) seems purposeful to me.  I&#039;m pretty mainstream when it comes to my own life, but nothing Holly writes ever seems vulgar to me, even those things which are not my personal fantasies (which is a lot of the stuff in her erotica!!).


&quot;I loved Wuthering Heights but it was not a primer on healthy relationships. It was a story about the destructive power of revenge (Cathy and Heathcliff) and the redemptive power of love (the next generation.)&quot;

You&#039;re more optimistic about the ending of WH than I am.  In addition to the destruction wrought through Heathcliff&#039;s need for revenge is, IMO, a deeply neurotic fear of adult sexuality that comes through in both Catherine and Heathcliff&#039;s characters.  There is so much sexual dysfunction in WH that I&#039;m always a little surprised it&#039;s still so readily fed to high school students as &quot;Romantic,&quot; even in the historically generic sense.  I can&#039;t help but think of it as in the same literary ballpark as Matthew Lewis&#039; gothic novel &quot;The Monk,&quot; which I loved, but which was also pretty whacked in a lot of ways.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;So, Iâ€™m standing in the Romance section at the bookstore the other day, looking at Emma Hollyâ€™s â€˜The Demonâ€™s Daughter.â€™ Mediocre title, yet another bare-chested pretty boy on the cover. But the blurbâ€™s sort of interesting, and Iâ€™ve heard good things about the author. Partway into chapter two, I realize this is Steampunk. Better yet, erotic Steampunk Romance. Could it get any better? Iâ€™m going back to the bookstore this weekend to pick up â€˜Strange Attractions.â€™ I know, different concept. But the same author. Why have I not read Emma Holly before this?&#8221;</p>
<p>One of the things that sets Emma Holly apart for me &#8212; besides the fact that she can write compelling characters AND grippingly sensual love/sex scenes &#8212; is that she seems to have tremendous empathy and respect for both her characters and her readers.  If you haven&#8217;t yet, definitely read her upyr books, starting with &#8220;Catching Midnight,&#8221; which is perhaps my favorite Holly book.  The scenes where the heroine merges with the spirit of her familiar animal are so lyrical they read like masterfully crafted love scenes.  The way Holly uses Gillian&#8217;s familiar to build a relationship between the hero and the heroine brought that book to a whole new level for me.  Even in her erotica there is true kindness and tenderness between her characters, and the way they investigate less traditional expressions of sex and sexuality generally (there are a few exceptions) seems purposeful to me.  I&#8217;m pretty mainstream when it comes to my own life, but nothing Holly writes ever seems vulgar to me, even those things which are not my personal fantasies (which is a lot of the stuff in her erotica!!).</p>
<p>&#8220;I loved Wuthering Heights but it was not a primer on healthy relationships. It was a story about the destructive power of revenge (Cathy and Heathcliff) and the redemptive power of love (the next generation.)&#8221;</p>
<p>You&#8217;re more optimistic about the ending of WH than I am.  In addition to the destruction wrought through Heathcliff&#8217;s need for revenge is, IMO, a deeply neurotic fear of adult sexuality that comes through in both Catherine and Heathcliff&#8217;s characters.  There is so much sexual dysfunction in WH that I&#8217;m always a little surprised it&#8217;s still so readily fed to high school students as &#8220;Romantic,&#8221; even in the historically generic sense.  I can&#8217;t help but think of it as in the same literary ballpark as Matthew Lewis&#8217; gothic novel &#8220;The Monk,&#8221; which I loved, but which was also pretty whacked in a lot of ways.</p>
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		<title>By: Allyson James</title>
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		<dc:creator>Allyson James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 May 2005 23:24:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I never thought of myself as a writer who &quot;did&quot; (menage a trois etc)--I always wrote steamy but sweet romances, although not with virgin heroines. Then I challenged myself to write romantica--I meant to have a monogomous relationship, but another man kept cropping up, and there I was, plunging into my first menage (on paper:grin:). It was fun, I enjoyed it, and I&#039;ll do it again. (That book is called Tales of the Shareem: Rees, btw, and was published by Ellora&#039;s Cave.)

That book freed many of my inhibitions. I realized that I can write about a good, healthy, loving relationship with a twist. I am happy that these days, places like Ellora&#039;s Cave are available for us to have romance and break every romance taboo at the same time. 

Reviewers and readers have been liking my work so far, so I&#039;m very happy I let down my hair and did it. And my husband learned another side of me he didn&#039;t know existed. :lol:

Do I want all my romances to have those added elements? No. But I do like that if I want them, they are no longer forbidden. The rules have been stretched, and I like where they&#039;re stretching.

I&#039;ve been meaning to pick up Emma Holly for the longest time. Must try her!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never thought of myself as a writer who &#8220;did&#8221; (menage a trois etc)&#8211;I always wrote steamy but sweet romances, although not with virgin heroines. Then I challenged myself to write romantica&#8211;I meant to have a monogomous relationship, but another man kept cropping up, and there I was, plunging into my first menage (on paper:grin:). It was fun, I enjoyed it, and I&#8217;ll do it again. (That book is called Tales of the Shareem: Rees, btw, and was published by Ellora&#8217;s Cave.)</p>
<p>That book freed many of my inhibitions. I realized that I can write about a good, healthy, loving relationship with a twist. I am happy that these days, places like Ellora&#8217;s Cave are available for us to have romance and break every romance taboo at the same time. </p>
<p>Reviewers and readers have been liking my work so far, so I&#8217;m very happy I let down my hair and did it. And my husband learned another side of me he didn&#8217;t know existed. <img src='http://www.romancingtheblog.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif' alt=':lol:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Do I want all my romances to have those added elements? No. But I do like that if I want them, they are no longer forbidden. The rules have been stretched, and I like where they&#8217;re stretching.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been meaning to pick up Emma Holly for the longest time. Must try her!</p>
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		<title>By: Mel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 May 2005 18:49:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right on, Candy. As an erotic romance writer, I see no problem with this. I love to write fantasies, and see nothing wrong with Emma Holly&#039;s work and she far outshines some mainstream romances.
And this comes from a frumpy, SAHM, erotic romance writer who can&#039;t see herself with anyone other than her husband. There is nothing wrong with fantasies, and committed relationships come in all shapes and sizes today. I know it isn&#039;t everyone&#039;s cup of tea, but then, I really, really, really hate secret baby stories. I see nothing wrong with other people enjoying them though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right on, Candy. As an erotic romance writer, I see no problem with this. I love to write fantasies, and see nothing wrong with Emma Holly&#8217;s work and she far outshines some mainstream romances.<br />
And this comes from a frumpy, SAHM, erotic romance writer who can&#8217;t see herself with anyone other than her husband. There is nothing wrong with fantasies, and committed relationships come in all shapes and sizes today. I know it isn&#8217;t everyone&#8217;s cup of tea, but then, I really, really, really hate secret baby stories. I see nothing wrong with other people enjoying them though.</p>
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		<title>By: Candy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Candy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 May 2005 18:23:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;For those people, love was hell and heaven, the beginning and the end. No pulling punches, no looking back, no concerns of safety, guarantees, will he be nice to me? what about his future? nothing like that, nothing reasonable, sensible, practical. Love like jumping from the cliff into a stormy sea, head first, no lifebelt attached. Burn the bridges and warm your hands at the fire kind of love.&quot;

Well, yes, I do think that the vision of love you outline is wildly romantic, and some romance novels on my keeper shelves portray that sort of out-of-control passion. I do stop short at thinking domestic abuse, pathological obsessiveness and inter-generational revenge schemes are romantic, though. Burning bridges and warming your hands on the fire is one thing; burning them while making sure your beloved is tied to the bridge and screaming in agony while inviting her family for the cheery barbecue is another.

And really, &lt;i&gt;Wuthering Heights&lt;/i&gt; vs. threesomes taps into a very basic issue: one is a fantasy I can&#039;t buy into and don&#039;t find appealing in the least, while the other is something I DO enjoy reading about and experiencing vicariously through my books.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;For those people, love was hell and heaven, the beginning and the end. No pulling punches, no looking back, no concerns of safety, guarantees, will he be nice to me? what about his future? nothing like that, nothing reasonable, sensible, practical. Love like jumping from the cliff into a stormy sea, head first, no lifebelt attached. Burn the bridges and warm your hands at the fire kind of love.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, yes, I do think that the vision of love you outline is wildly romantic, and some romance novels on my keeper shelves portray that sort of out-of-control passion. I do stop short at thinking domestic abuse, pathological obsessiveness and inter-generational revenge schemes are romantic, though. Burning bridges and warming your hands on the fire is one thing; burning them while making sure your beloved is tied to the bridge and screaming in agony while inviting her family for the cheery barbecue is another.</p>
<p>And really, <i>Wuthering Heights</i> vs. threesomes taps into a very basic issue: one is a fantasy I can&#8217;t buy into and don&#8217;t find appealing in the least, while the other is something I DO enjoy reading about and experiencing vicariously through my books.</p>
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		<title>By: Nicolette Rivers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nicolette Rivers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 May 2005 17:40:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>***but I contend that Heathcliff would never have harmed a hair of Cathyâ€™s head.***

He married her sister-in-law to hurt her...and then he beat  his wife. He tormented Cathy at every opportunity...and she did the same. She flat out accused him of being her murderer on her deathbed. 

I do think he was quite capable of physically harming Cathy, yes. I also think she would be capable of harming him.

The whole point of Cathy2 and Hareton was that they were much like their parents, but with a capacity for true goodness so that their love could work.

I loved Wuthering Heights but it was not a primer on healthy relationships. It was a story about the destructive power of revenge (Cathy and Heathcliff) and the redemptive power of love (the next generation.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>***but I contend that Heathcliff would never have harmed a hair of Cathyâ€™s head.***</p>
<p>He married her sister-in-law to hurt her&#8230;and then he beat  his wife. He tormented Cathy at every opportunity&#8230;and she did the same. She flat out accused him of being her murderer on her deathbed. </p>
<p>I do think he was quite capable of physically harming Cathy, yes. I also think she would be capable of harming him.</p>
<p>The whole point of Cathy2 and Hareton was that they were much like their parents, but with a capacity for true goodness so that their love could work.</p>
<p>I loved Wuthering Heights but it was not a primer on healthy relationships. It was a story about the destructive power of revenge (Cathy and Heathcliff) and the redemptive power of love (the next generation.)</p>
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		<title>By: Eugenia O'Neal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eugenia O'Neal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 May 2005 17:03:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, Daria, yes.  And I would say you were fiercely lyrical!</description>
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